Monday, July 28, 2008

Shotguns and Suicide Bombs: Is Life Really so Cheap to the Faithful?

Every Atheist blogger will be writing about this tragic story today, about a man who opened fire with a shotgun in a Unitarian Church because he was frustrated over their "liberal views." And on the same day, we find that four women, in a coordinated suicide bombing, blew themselves up in Iraq, killing at least fifty seven innocent bystanders, all Shiite pilgrims.

Most religious people have swallowed the Godly Origin of Morals Meme, hook, line and sinker. They believe that without God, there can be no morality. Never mind that actual facts don't back this up – sociologist, historians, religious scholars and atheist scholars have done plenty of studies that demonstrate that people are people, and pretty much behave just as well or badly regardless of their religion.

Unfortunately, there is a corollary to the Godly-Origin-of-Morals Meme: Not only do morals come from God, but so too does the very meaning and purpose of our lives. Without God's plan for us, there would be no reason to exist. Or so we're told. To an atheist, this idea is almost laughable, except that it's not funny today. Dozens of people died today, as a direct result of this belief.

To a religious person, life is just the very first step in an infinitely long journey, and death is the doorway to the next step. Death is unpleasant, leaves grieving loved ones behind, and perhaps leaves unfinished business on Earth, but the promise of the afterlife, heaven, and reunion with loved ones when they die, vastly mitigate the pain and sorrow of believers. In God's grand scheme of things, death is more of an inconvenience than a tragedy.

Contrast this with the Atheist's view of life and death. There is no greater gift than life, because you only get one chance, and there is no fate worse than death, because when you're dead, that's it, you are gone forever. Our lives here on Earth last a mere six to ten decades if we're lucky. There is nothing more precious than life, and our husbands, wives and children are worth more to us than anything else in the world. It is only through our children, and our deeds here on Earth, than we can have any legacy to Earth's future.

A religious person can convince himself that murder is justified, because first, the victims aren't following the morals that God explained so plainly in the Bible. (Never mind that this "plain" explanation seems to be different for every person you ask.) But worse, because death is just the doorway to the afterlife, the religious zealot can convince himself or herself that the murders aren't really hurting anyone. If the victims are innocent, but the murder helps restore God's morals to society, then the murders are really OK. It's a case of the greatest good for the greatest number – a few lose their lives (an inconvenience, nothing more), but God's laws are restored.

This sort of logic is unthinkable to an Atheist.

12 comments:

  1. James,

    There are multiple things I would take issue with in your post. I'll just take one though: you said, "They believe that without God, there can be no morality. Never mind that actual facts don't back this up"

    What exactly are the facts? Given atheism, why were these actions wrong?

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  2. Hey, Ryan, that's two, not one: You ask about the facts, and ask me to justify morality from an Atheist's point of view.

    The facts are these: study after study has shown that people of almost all faiths, and people with no faith (atheists) have pretty much the same morals. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, they all have roughly the same number of honest people, dishonest people, good/bad people, however you want to measure it. People are people, and their religious persuasion has very little effect on their behavior. The main interesting anomaly in the data is that there are almost no Atheists in prison in the United States (click on the YouTube Video with Carl Sagan's picture on www.thereligionvirus.com home page).

    Regarding Atheistic morality, you're asking for a summary of 2,500 years of Platonic/Socratic ethics, and the Greek Rationalist school of philosophy. Have a look at Nicomachean Ethics, which you can find in Wikipedia or dozens of other places. The basic idea is that human happiness and well being are the foundation of all ethics, and that from this foundation, a rational thought process can derive a consistent set of ethical rules that are founded on facts, not faith.

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  3. “Hey, Ryan, that's two, not one: You ask about the facts, and ask me to justify morality from an Atheist's point of view.”

    What I meant was that I was taking issue with one thing that you stated in your original post; that one issue being morality. Sorry for the confusion.

    “The facts are these: study after study has shown that people of almost all faiths, and people with no faith (atheists) have pretty much the same morals.”

    This doesn’t prove anything though. What are the facts that would lead one to believe that there is such a thing as objective moral standards? What makes one action worse than another?

    “Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, they all have roughly the same number of honest people, dishonest people, good/bad people, however you want to measure it. People are people, and their religious persuasion has very little effect on their behavior. The main interesting anomaly in the data is that there are almost no Atheists in prison in the United States”

    Again, what does this prove? That atheists are more moral? There are studies that say that conservatives give more to charity than liberals; there are studies that show that people with a religious belief give more time and money to helping people than atheists. As far as the prison data, a couple of things could be said: 1) there are far fewer atheists in America than those with a religion; 2) when a person is put in prison, he/she only has to mark which religion they are; it would make sense to say you have some sort of religion that is “changing you” in order to get out on good behavior or be viewed as a spiritually “good” person.

    “Regarding Atheistic morality, you're asking for a summary of 2,500 years of Platonic/Socratic ethics, and the Greek Rationalist school of philosophy.”

    No, I’m really not. I’m asking you to tell me why this shooting is objectively wrong given atheism. If it isn’t objectively wrong than what’s all the fuss about? Simple: was this shooting objectively wrong and then tell why.

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  4. O atheist you are feeling depression and you are annoyed, you deny existence of

    God.what is your purpose in this life.you will find the answer in the right

    religion that is "Islam",God created us to worship him, he said in the holy

    Quran "And I have not created the Jinn and the Human beings except to

    worship Me"[Surah Dhzariyat V.56],God did not made life hard and

    difficult,the prophet Mohammed peace be upon him encourage and urge

    people to marry,in Islam there is no monasticism,before Islam Arabs used to marry so many women,and when Islam come,you can just marry four women not more than that,and to marry more than one, you have to be able to give each your wife its right, as God said in THE Holy Quran: "If you fear that you cannot act justly towards the orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you; two, three, four of them. But if you fear that you cannot do justice, then one only, or, those you possess. It is likelier then that you will not be partial". so what is better is to marry another woman with your first wife or to Betray it and not spend on? Islam oblige man to spending his wife,so Inheritance of man is more than Inheritance of woman.
    Islam has answered all the questions of people:why they was created, and what is in grave, and what after death, and are there other creatures than human,now let us look at scientific miracles:
    the lates Egiptian studies wich conducted in the Center of Technology of National Radiation, Revealed that prostration to Allah make human free from suffering physical and psychological tension and other neurological diseases...and they discovered that prostration reduce tension, fatigue,and anger,in addition prostration plays an important rule in reducing risk of cancerous tumors.
    The researchers pointed out that human subject to excessive doses of radiation,and live most of his life in electromagnetic fields and that what negatively affects his cells,but prostration to Allah helps body to unload the excess shipments which caused diseases such us convulsion of muscle, fatigue and oblivion. and they pointing out that the increase in the amount of electromagnetic Consignments without deflating exacerbating the matter and make it very complicated,and these electromagnetic Consignments couse confusion in the language of cells and destroy and disrupt its interaction with the external environment,so cancerous tumors will growing and maybe the embryoes will get many deformities,and the scientists proved that prostration on the ground help in unloading excess Consignments out of the body and get rid of it without any analgesics or medicaments which may couse harmful side effects.

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  5. ................moslem:
    the Egiptians experts proved that the process of unloading these electromagnetic Consignments start when we connecting our front of head with the ground,where the positive Consignments move from body of human to the ground which has nigative Consignments,therefore the body will get rid of cargo,especially when we use several parts,when we prostrate to God we use several parts such us nose,hands,and knees.
    and in an exciting discovering, the researchers noticed in their studies that process of unloading electromagnetic Consignments from body of human requires to trend toward Mecca in prostration,and excactely that what muslims do when they make prostration,where they trend toward Kaaba in Mecca.And the scientists attributed this fact that Mecca is the center of the world's land, located in the middle of the Earth (and not the Grinitch city, as they say ) and we will discuss subject of center of earth later.
    And tends toward center of the Eearth is the best conditions to unloading Consignments to human get rid of his tension, and then he feel psychological comfort, and that what muslims feel when they pray.
    And the prophet Mohammed peace and blessing be upon him was stretching prostration.
    Now let us look at the pork: God Has been forbid eat pork,ok look what does scientists say about that:
    Pig contains so many bacterias, viruses,and parasites,and when you eat pork you can imagine what you will get:
    Influenza

    Balantidium Dysentery

    Fasciolopsis Buski

    Taenia Solium
    Export

    Ascaris

    Trchinella Spiralis

    Zoonoses


    Now let us look at what some people deny which is Jinn knock down human beings:
    Look at Television,look how muslim preachers ( I do not mean quacks who allege that they cure by the Quran,but i mean Legitimate cureds ) when they reading Quran on someone who was knocked down by Jinn,we notice that this person move in a strange case, then Jinn go out from his body, and returne as he was, natural person.
    I wached a documentary on AL-MAJD channel, a philippine person was a magician, and he go back to islam again,because he see effect of Athan-Prayer on Jinn who deal with him.

    You may ask me why he embrace islam,as we knew there are many islamic sects: I will say you what does the prophet Mohammed peace be upon him said,he said:"My Ummah will split-up into seventy-three sects; one in Paradise and seventy-two are in the Fire". this one is those who follow the way of prophet Mohammed peace be upon him and his companions.look at Shiites sect, they beat themselves with iron and knives like crazies and mads,and they allege that they love and follow Ahl al-Bayt- People of the House of prophet mohammed peace be upon him-, and Ahl al-Bayt are free from Shiites as Jesus free from christians,and look at so many other sects who do not follow what does prophet Mohammed says,so where is minds,this is a future miracle of the last prophet mohammed peace be upon him which confirm that he is the messenger from God.
    \You eat, drink, and practise all enjoyments of life but you still feel boring,and unhappiness, Although everything is available to you, but why?
    the answer is that you give your body all what he want, but your spirit not, which need prayer and and many worships to your lord.
    When you go to the church you satisfy the spiritual part of your need, how if your belief is belief of islam the truth belief, you go to the mosque and pray 5 prayers a day of prostration and kneeling and solemnly.
    -You can see many suicides because of dissatisfaction and concern and unhappiness which many people suffer from especially atheists. this is an evidence:

    http://www.iasp.info/pdf/papers/Bertolote.pdf

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  6. ................moslem:
    Let us not forget that the devil is seized on that hearts, guide it through the dark to suicide.
    But Islam is the true religion of Allah, does no harm human beig but help him. God has created man to worship. I have read that there is a person not suffering from any diseases, but was not able to sleep, only two hours, although take tranquilizers, etc. ... But when he embraced Islam and know Meditations of sleep and learn ablution he is now able to sleep.
    The second evidence is that scientific studies confirmed that this universe will end and finish, is not that a proof of end this world?
    A main evidence is the evidence of instinct, all of us has a sense that beyond this universe there is a creator and a manager of the universe,when a human being feel that he is in danger, for example, if he face an accident of plan or a car he calls God to release him, even if he is an atheist, so what is the secret beyond that??
    this universe and its creatures of different colors indicate the presence of the Creator of the universe.if you look at the Footprints in one place it is an evidence that there is some one go from there, so what about this sky, heavens, this earth and so many very complex creatures, are that not indicate the presence of the Creator of the universe who is Al-hakeem al-knowing?.
    All of us believe in energy, electrical and magnetic and feel pain, but we do not see it but we feel,so that showed us its existence, and we believe in the existence of God even though we did not see him,but because of the evidences of his existence, ALLAH he sent us his prophets and messengers to show us who we will worship and how to worship him, so those prophets calling us to tawhid (oneness of god ) and to do not make a partner with god.
    many nations were feel the need to worship God but its explanation of worship was false and wrong, they worship stone, trees, Jesus the cross and idols.where is the mind??

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  7. moslem
    msa_msa_msa@maktoob.com


    Islam sees a woman, whether single
    or married, as an individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of her property and earnings without any guardianship over her (whether that be her father, husband, or anyone else). She has the right to buy and sell, give gifts and charity, and may spend her money as she pleases. A marriage dowry is given by the groom to the bride for her own personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking her husband’s.


    Islam encourages the husband to treat his wife well, as the Prophet Muhammad said: {The best among you are those who are best to their wives.}1

    Mothers in Islam are highly honored. Islam recommends treating them in the best way. A man came to the Prophet Muhammad and said, “O Messenger of God! Who among the people is the most worthy of my good companionship?” The Prophet said: {Your mother.} The man said, “Then who?” The Prophet said: {Then your mother.} The man further asked, “Then who?” The Prophet said: {Then your mother.} The man asked again, “Then who?” The Prophet said: {Then your father.

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    1) Narrated in Ibn Majah, #1978, and Al-Tirmizi, #3895.

    (2) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2548, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #5971.

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    msa_msa_msa@maktoob.com
    - The Quran on Human Embryonic Development:
    In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development:


    We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... 1 (Quran, 23:12-14)

    Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.

    In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two2 as we can see in figure 1. Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.3



    The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.” This is what we can see in figures 2 and 3, the suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.

    The third meaning of the word alaqah is “blood clot.” We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage4 (see figure 4). Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week.5 Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.

    So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.

    The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.”6

    How could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad ). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.7

    Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore8 is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

    In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.”9 (To view the RealPlayer video of this comment click here ).

    Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?” He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this.”10

    During one conference, Professor Moore stated: “....Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah (what Muhammad said, did, or approved of). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and hadeeth (reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad’s companions of what he said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen’s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century. The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training


    Another question - if we could show you the benefits of not eating cows and sheep will Islam stop the barbaric practice of halal slaughter

    What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
    Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:


    God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)

    The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3

    Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4

    He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7

    Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8

    He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9

    Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10

    In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam
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    1) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1744, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3015.

    (2) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1731, and Al-Tirmizi, #1408.

    (3) Narrated in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3166, and Ibn Majah, #2686.

    (4) Narrated in Abu-Dawood, #2675.

    (5) Narrated in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #6871, and Saheeh Muslim, #88.

    (6) This means killing and injuring.

    (7) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1678, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #6533.

    (8) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2422, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #2365.

    (9) This saying of Muhammad has been mentioned in more detail on this page. Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2244, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #2466.

    (10) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1955, and Al-Tirmizi, #1409.

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    msa_msa_msa@maktoob.com

    What Does Islam Say about
    Terrorism?
    Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:


    God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)

    The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3

    Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4

    He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7

    Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8

    He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9

    Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10

    In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam


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    (1) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1744, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3015.

    (2) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1731, and Al-Tirmizi, #1408.

    (3) Narrated in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3166, and Ibn Majah, #2686.

    (4) Narrated in Abu-Dawood, #2675.

    (5) Narrated in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #6871, and Saheeh Muslim, #88.

    (6) This means killing and injuring.

    (7) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1678, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #6533.

    (8) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2422, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #2365.

    (9) This saying of Muhammad has been mentioned in more detail on this page. Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2244, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #2466.

    (10) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1955, and Al-Tirmizi, #1409

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    msa_msa_msa@maktoob.com


    Biblical Prophecies on the Advent of
    Muhammad , the Prophet of Islam
    The Biblical prophecies on the advent of the Prophet Muhammad are evidence of the truth of Islam for people who believe in the Bible.


    In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).1

    From these verses we conclude that the prophet in this prophecy must have the following three characteristics:

    1) That he will be like Moses.

    2) That he will come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites.

    3) That God will put His words in to the mouth of this prophet and that he will declare what God commands him.

    Let us examine these three characteristics in more depth:

    1) A prophet like Moses:
    There were hardly any two prophets who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad . Both were given a comprehensive law and code of life. Both encountered their enemies and were victorious in miraculous ways. Both were accepted as prophets and statesmen. Both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlook not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well. These include the natural birth, the family life, and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus. Moreover Jesus was regarded by his followers as the Son of God and not exclusively as a prophet of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslims believe Jesus was. So, this prophecy refers to the Prophet Muhammad and not to Jesus, because Muhammad is more like Moses than Jesus.

    Also, one notices from the Gospel of John that the Jews were waiting for the fulfillment of three distinct prophecies. The first was the coming of Christ. The second was the coming of Elijah. The third was the coming of the Prophet. This is obvious from the three questions that were posed to John the Baptist: “Now this was John’s testimony, when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.” They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.” (John 1:19-21). If we look in a Bible with cross-references, we will find in the marginal notes where the words “the Prophet” occur in John 1:21, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18:18.2 We conclude from this that Jesus Christ is not the prophet mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:18.

    2) From the brothers of the Israelites:
    Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab nation, and Isaac became the grandfather of the Jewish nation. The prophet spoken of was not to come from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, i.e. the Ishmaelites. Muhammad , a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed this prophet.

    Also, Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the servant of God, His “chosen one” and “messenger” who will bring down a law. “He will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope.” (Isaiah 42:4). Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Kedar. Who is Kedar? According to Genesis 25:13, Kedar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of the Prophet Muhammad .

    3) God will put His words in the mouth of this prophet:
    The words of God (the Holy Quran) were truly put into Muhammad’s mouth. God sent the Angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words of God (the Holy Quran) and asked him to dictate them to the people as he heard them. The words are therefore not his own. They did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the Angel Gabriel. During the life time of Muhammad , and under his supervision, these words were then memorized and written by his companions.

    Also, this prophecy in Deuteronomy mentioned that this prophet will speak the words of God in the name of God. If we looked to the Holy Quran, we will find that all its chapters, except Chapter 9, are preceded or begin with the phrase, “In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.”


    Another indication (other than the prophecy in Deuteronomy) is that Isaiah ties the messenger connected with Kedar with a new song (a scripture in a new language) to be sung to the Lord (Isaiah 42:10-11). This is mentioned more clearly in the prophecy of Isaiah: “and another tongue, will he speak to this people” (Isaiah 28:11 KJV). Another related point, is that the Quran was revealed in sections over a span of twenty-three years. It is interesting to compare this with Isaiah 28 which speaks of the same thing, “For it is: Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there.” (Isaiah 28:10).

    Note that God has said in the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18, “If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy, 18:19). This means that whoever believes in the Bible must believe in what this prophet says, and this prophet is the Prophet Muhammad .

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    Footnotes:

    (1) All of the verses on this page have been taken from The NIV Study Bible, New International Version, except where noted as being KJV which means King James Version.

    (2) See the marginal notes in The NIV Study Bible, New International Version on verse 1:21, p. 1594.
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  11. My question is this. Why did Muhammad .... 9 year old child?
    It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into "women", then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage.
    That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many third world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.


    Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions!


    So to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a girl that was OFFERED TO HIM by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans, is quite absurd.
    The pedophilia in the bible was quite different, because girls were raped at 3-years of age by Moses and his men.

    Also, in Exodus 21:7-11 as further elaborated on below, girls were sold off as slave girls by their own fathers to other men. So most certainly, no one is qualified to call the Prophet of Islam a pedophile!

    *** X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
    *** Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.



    Young girls in the Bible and Jewish Talmud. Let's look at two main points in the Bible:
    1- 3-year old slave girls were forced into sex under the Mosaic Law in the Bible.
    2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible.

    1- 3-year old slave girls were forced into sex under the Mosaic Law in the Bible:
    Pedophilia with 3-year old slave girls in the Bible!
    Forcing 3-year old slave girls into sex during the Mosaic Law in the Bible! (click here)

    Is the GOD of Israel a pedophile? Quick side Note: Numbers 31:35-40 "[From the captives of war] 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.......of which the tribute for the LORD was 32 [among them were virgin girls]."
    Even though GOD Almighty's share of the 32 virgin girls is ************************phoric, meaning that He didn't come down and have sex with them, but if any wants to call Prophet Muhammad a pedophile or womanizer for marrying (his best friend's daughter with both her parents' approval) a young girl and marrying multiple women throughout his life, then he should not only call his Biblical Prophets as such, but also the GOD of Israel Himself!


    Also today, the Jewish law for marriage sets the age of consent for females at 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not know if modern Jewish law still allows (in theory) betrothal by intercourse as it was practiced in ancient times.

    Thirty years ago, the renowned sexologist R.E.L. Masters and Allan Edwardes said in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression (_The Cradle of Erotica_, Julian Press, New York:1962) said, "Today, in many parts of North Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and bedded between the ages of five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains unmarried beyond the age of puberty."


    **** Also, the age consent in the US and Europe only 100 years ago for girls' marriage was as little as 10, and some popular men figures married little girls who were as young as their daughters. I have provided the Western links and proofs.
    By the way, please visit: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible. The Bible literally says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".
    Also visit: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.

    2- Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls to other men in the Bible:

    Exodus 21:7-11
    7. "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
    8. "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
    9. "If he designates her for his son [Note: "his son" means that the master is either her father's age or even much older!], he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters.
    10. "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.
    11. "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
    First of all, did the daughter have any choice to be sold off by her father, married off by her master to either himself or his son? No!
    Also, the fact that the master can either marry her or marry her off to his son, means that MOST LIKELY, SHE IS HIS DAUGHTER'S AGE and younger than his son!! So he's probably at least 30+ years older than her. Yet, he himself (her father's age or even MUCH older) can marry her.
    Again, please visit: X-Rated Pornography in the Bible. The Bible literally says that women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine".
    Also visit: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.
    Also, the fact that there is no AGE LIMIT to how girls in the Bible were sold off and married off to other men, WITHOUT ANY CHOICE, who were much much older than them as also the case with the Biblical Prophets who married 100s of wives each clearly proves the hypocrisy of some Christians who attack Islam through Aisha's very young age, while they clearly ignore the same fact in their own Bible. Here is a sample of the 100s of wives of the Biblical Prophets:
    In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
    In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.
    In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
    In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.



    Let us look at the following narration:
    Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"
    Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage.

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  12. thank you
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